Is The Pocket a pocket full of trouble?

I was walking my dog tonight in the Pleasure Point neighborhood and got a good scare as I heard a fight break out AGAIN at The Pocket. Groups of men were fighting in the parking lot and one even looked like he had a bat. I was honestly afraid guns would be pulled. There's no where to hide so a stray bullet would have been hard to avoid. Makes me wonder about how safe a place like the Pocket is. I love a good dive bar but the crowd here seems rowdier than needed with drunk people roaming the neighborhood and yelling almost nightly. It's a pretty sucky situation for the mellow people and families that just like living near the beach. Is there anything we can do??
Curtis Swain November 04, 2013 at 02:17 PM
Yes, there is something you can do: call the police. Fighting, brandishing weapons, disturbing the peace, public intoxication are all issues law enforcement can deal with. For the unincorporated area of Pleasure Point, I believe it's the Sheriff's Office that will respond. You can either call 911 for really serious problems (fighting, weapons) or call the non-emergency number:471‐1121.
Teresa D. November 04, 2013 at 02:21 PM
Thanks Curtis. I had no idea this area was unincorporated -- that explains why I got the sheriff's office last night. I'm still learning about our neighborhood but after being here for two years I am a little sad at the fact that I don't feel safe walking my dog once it gets dark. I am wondering if there are long term solutions. Or if anyone has worked with businesses in the past to make neighborhoods safer?
Dawn Henry November 05, 2013 at 03:51 PM
I find it inappropriate to immediately blame the bar for a parking lot fight when there is a laundromat (that pretty much houses the homeless) and a 7-11 in the same building. The owner has worked hard to raise the level of this bar, and is even morphing it into a much-lauded music venue in Santa Cruz. This kind of knee-jerk post can be far more detrimental to small business owners than you might think. I agree that the violence in Santa Cruz needs to be fought (for lack of a better term), but for the sake of small business in our community, be careful where you point your finger.
Crissie Beach November 05, 2013 at 04:16 PM
I agree with Dawn, I live across the street and frequent the pocket often, I've heard story's about the past issues there, and there hard to believe! It's one of the only bars in SC I will go into by myself and get a drink without being harassed. And if you live in the neighborhood I'm sure you have noticed the awesome people who choose to hang out at that laundry mat and 711. If anything the Pocket helps keep those winners in line. I'm sure there's never fights at cast always or anywhere downtown? This kind of post bums me out. I blame the parking lot.
Jerry's Front Pocket November 05, 2013 at 05:23 PM
Jerry's Front Pocket Ok, let's get this shit straight. Sunday night I was standing outside the bar (which was pretty slow 'cept for a couple few of us dart players. Nary a whiff of trouble inside the bar) when the usual gang of miscreants, who for some reason like to hang out by the RedBox, started up their usual hijinks. These wanna bes are 1) too young to come into my establishment and 2) would never be welcome inside anyway. This "crew" has been causing trouble in the parking lot for a while now. The sheriff has been alerted numerous times. I have been assaulted outside my own bar (sucker punched) and prosecuted the culprit. We don't allow fighting in my establishment and haven't had a fight for quite a long time. We are always concerned with providing a comfortable atmosphere for all who enter our doors. The issue is with a select crowd of juvenile delinquents who have established the 7-11 parking lot as their "turf". I understand that a bad rep can take a while to fade away, but I invite anyone who is concerned with the safety of The Pocket to come in and enjoy our friendly ambiance and great live music. Thanks for your support! Jerry
GypsyJack Van Breen November 05, 2013 at 05:45 PM
It is far to easy to make assumptions about "music" establishments, when often times it is something else entirely that is causing the grief. There was a great venue close to the Santa Clara University, that tried to upgrade their entertainment license and at the hearing all sorts of people complained about the problems they establishment created. Like empty beer bottles and food wrapping being left in yards, and rowdy folks walking around. Sadly, the neighbors didn't realize that the place did NOT have a liquor license so the beer bottles were not their fault. and the food wrappings were from the taco bell 3 blocks away. It *is* important to protect your neighborhood by being responsible and reporting issues like this one to the authorities, *preferably* while it's in progress so they have a chance to do something, but it is also important to not indiscriminately place blame as we need good places for music and fun. From all that I've heard the pocket fits the bill nicely!
Myron L Brody November 05, 2013 at 05:50 PM
I have been going to the Pocket for years. Before Jerry took over it had some issues. That has all changed now. I echo Jerry's comments. His bar is a great venue for music and it's patrons are very well behaved. I wasn't there but it would be very unusual for that fight to involve current patrons of the Pocket. Teresa, What made you think it involved the pocket? Jerry has worked hard to change the reputation of his bar. Please don't place blame by making assumptions without investigating. You should go speak with Jerry and see for yourself.
Seth Augustus November 05, 2013 at 06:23 PM
I can speak as a musician who plays at the Pocket from time to time. I've never seen anything close to violence there. Jerry is a very unusual club owner who's worked very hard to cultivate an interesting and viable music venue. We've had nothing but good experiences there and have been treated very kindly by both Jerry and his patrons alike -- all of whom we've found to be quite good natured.
Teresa D. November 05, 2013 at 07:12 PM
This is very cool! I'm relieved and glad to see so many people jumping in to talk more about this -- especially glad to see Jerry on here. On Sunday as I walked plenty of people were coming out of the Pocket, to watch the incident. It's always sad when people just stand around and watch violence. I'm not one of those people and did call the cops right away. I'm sad to hear that even Jerry has been assaulted in our neighborhood. That's just a bummer. Sounds like everyone can agree there has been some trouble overall in the area and it isn't good for business or those who live here every day. It is good to hear that things are getting better now that Jerry is the owner. Obviously things take time to evolve. And I know this is an uphill battle with the 7-11 right next store. --> So the question still remains what can we do to make that whole shopping center better? Jerry if you have suggestions I would love to help and can swing by to talk anytime.
Jerry's Front Pocket November 05, 2013 at 07:26 PM
I'm here everyday after 12pm. Stop by anytime. Love to here your input.
Mike Tell November 05, 2013 at 08:33 PM
Teresa You should walk into the Pocket on any given night and I will bet you your next drink you will be back. Don't judge a book by its cover. Jerry has turned a questionable joint into a very respectable bar. If the local police spent a little more time on the red box fools the whole scene would be better off. You might even walk out with some new friends, for life, like I did. Thanks Jerry. Keep up the good work!
Wendy Ridgway November 06, 2013 at 08:13 PM
Seems to me 7-11 is the problem. Why not close the laundry at 8(like everywhere!) and get rid of the 7-11. I worked at KSCO for 7 years& that 7-11 is always a hub of trouble- morning, noon& nite! Jerry,you need to call on them( their employees are skeezy, too. They won't do it).The bar has bar issues, but the 7-11 has teenagers. Why cant the cops get the kiddies for curfew, btw?
kem akol November 07, 2013 at 10:34 AM
how about some CAMERAS?? and signs posting that YOU ARE UNDER SURVEILLANCE??


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