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Occupy Santa Cruz Protesters Confront Deputy Police Chief and Say They Plan to Reoccupy Public Grounds

Here's a video put up by Occupy protesters of a confrontation with Deputy Police Chief Steve Clark. What do you think of this argument preserved on video?

Occupy Santa Cruz protesters took to the street outside the Wells Fargo Bank on River Street Wednesday, complaining about the indictments of 11 of their members who took over and vandalized an empty bank building at 75 River St. in November.

Alex Darocy, who is up on trespass charges and was seen covering the bank's windows with cardboard on the night of the takeover,  recorded this confrontation with Deputy Chief Steve Clark and posted it on YouTube.

On their Facebook page, after midnight Friday, the Occupiers said they were going to re-occupy again with a 24-hour presence.

"Re-establishing 24 hour presence:

Much enthusiasm for re-establishing. Strategy discussed, legal
angles.

**Proposal to attempt to re-occupy tonight.

Result: consensus**

Announcements:
Rush Tent Monster is back!"

They also wrote about their back and forth with the police:

"Agenda:

1. Discussion of yesterday’s action:

Review: Yesterday was OSC concensed upon action by Direct Action Working Group. We gathered at Wells Fargo at 3pm and maintained our protest for over three hours. Wells Fargo was shut down for 2 1/2 hours – they closed for the day. The police showed up in force and harassed demonstrators for a brief period of time.

A Media Group member was viewing livestream and live tweeting. Media group will be publishing account of police harassment. Very offended by the way peaceful protesters were treated.

Another Occupier encouraged autonomous action to mask up at such events. Police were walking around yesterday with cameras. Request not to call masked persons by name on livestream."

Tom February 17, 2012 at 05:34 PM
Let them occupy the jail house.
Jrey February 17, 2012 at 06:11 PM
this "occupy" is a joke. the people involved need to realize its over
Wes Modes February 17, 2012 at 06:39 PM
With Steve Clark you get what you get. Don't expect integrity, honesty, fairness, compassion, or even professionalism.
Willow February 17, 2012 at 08:00 PM
I like the way you think!
Willow February 17, 2012 at 08:04 PM
Good analysis. They certainly don't speak on my behalf. Too bad that the ideals of the Occupy Movement have been hijacked by these do-nothings. Gathering and speaking out is fine, but what they do is just gang warfare against the very society they claim to represent. If they don't like it, they should pack up their backpacks and makeshift tents and leave.
Willow February 17, 2012 at 08:35 PM
I must correct my previous comment, as I didn't realize you were speaking of the deputy police chief, but thought you were naming the head of the rouge Occupy Santa Cruz Movement. I have no quarrel with the police or the deputy police chief. The Occupiers were in the wrong, after the first meetings, when they broke off from the semi-official group and became local terrorists instead of community activists.
Wes Modes February 17, 2012 at 08:38 PM
Willow, you mean the gang warfare like holding signs and picketing banks? Or do you mean the gang warfare of collectively organizing and using consensus decision-making? You must mean the thuggery of them having strong opinions about the evils and excesses of capitalism. Of course, these things are bad enough without some autonomous supporters being willing to put these ideas into practice by challenging the 50% commercial vacancy in SC while homeowners evicted from their homes are living on the streets. You are totally right. The movement has been hijacked by people who are not just willing to blabber on about what's wrong, but willilng to do something about it. I long for the old days when protesters were willing to just sit around and complain and occasionally write ineffective letters respectfully requesting our brave leaders to fix our problems.
Wes Modes February 17, 2012 at 08:41 PM
Oh wait. I didn't say feces. We have to say human feces. We have to say human feces in any comment opposing Occupy Santa Cruz. Never mind that the HUMAN FECES was found blocks away at a building left long vacant by the city. It doesn't matter that the HUMAN FECES were never proven to be related whatsoever to Occupy. It is only important that we say human feces again and again because if there is one thing we oppose, even if we don't give a shit about politics (pun intended), is human feces.
Willow February 17, 2012 at 10:41 PM
I have no problem with protests. I supported the March on Washington. Look it up if you don't know what that was. As for Occupy Santa Cruz, while there was an honest effort to keep it civil, it lost credibility when members broke into a building and vandalized it. Occupying San Lorenzo Park may have had its attractions in the beginning, but it soon got way out of hand. Yes, I know that the homeless community intermingled with the Occupiers and some of them were the instigators of many of the problems. All of that aside, what makes it right for anyone to confiscate someone else's property and demand that it be handed over to them to use as they see fit, even if the proposed use is humanitarian? That is part of the gang warfare of which I inferred. As for Capitalism, what in the name of all that is decent do you think made it possible for you, or your financial supporters, to do what you do and have what you have? Believe it or not, like it or not, profit is not a four-letter-word, and profit, even corporate profit, is what provides jobs and product. No, it is not a perfect system, but it is a lot better system than socialism. Socialism may seem attractive on the surface (equality for everyone), but in practice, it is not.
Wes Modes February 18, 2012 at 12:09 AM
Well, at least now we are debating ideas! Woo! I understand that many people are defenders of profit and private property. I myself own a home that I hope to keep. So I don't have a problem with people having a place to call home, to raise kids, grow food, feel stable and rooted in the world and in the community. I recognize my privilege and how increasingly rare that is. I think at issue is the relentless substitution of monetary profit over human and community benefit. Could anyone argue that it benefits the community more to have a building sitting empty for three years across the street from another building owned by the same large corporation rather than a non-profit community center to teach, educate, and feed people? I think that is a hard case to make. Instead, of trying to debate the deeper issue of community benefit, people focus on the private property issue and the vandalism.
Willow February 18, 2012 at 01:01 AM
As for the vacant building, yes, I would like to see it occupied, and a community center would be great, but storming the building and taking it over is not the way. Remember the Tannery and how it sat vacant for a long time, and now it's an art center? There are ways to accomplish the goals without hijacking like pirates. That vandalism of private property IS important for, by it, a lot of credibility of the Occupy Movement was either lost or questioned. That sort of up/yours behavior does not garner support, but leaves a feeling of disgust. I would like to see more businesses downtown Santa Cruz and a well-run (by OSC is fine) community center. One of the problems downtown Santa Cruz is the mantra that big business is not welcomed, so business doesn't go there. After all, there are many other places they are welcomed. I would like to see both attitudes change . . . that of the Council that is still stuck in the 60's and that of those in OSC who think vandalizing private property is the way to make their point.
Jrey February 18, 2012 at 04:12 AM
i must say the scpd handled the "occupation" with much more patience and respect than other agencies and they should be commended for that
L. Roxanne Evans February 19, 2012 at 06:26 PM
Did any of you anti-OSC folks BOTHER TO WATCH the video. It's appalling. This man is hired to represent you and I, the lawful citizens of Santa Cruz, and he is not fit to clean a cage. He is taunting and harassing victims and witnesses, he is using his position of power to intimidate and heckle PEACEFUL PROTESTERS, holding signs outside of a business. This a long-standing form of political protest in this country, something everyone should do at least once in their life, if they stand for something and yet, these people were threatened with arrest, three or four people were questioned, ids taken and made to feel they are now on a "list"....just for standing up and saying their opinion, nothing to do with whatever happened at 75 River or the park or elsewhere. Do you get it? This could be you. What if you do something down the road, that is risky, possibly illegal and you get caught? You expect a fair and speedy trial, by a jury of your peers and you expect due process and justice will be served, right? If Steve Clark doesn't like what you did, he may just decide to get in your face and heckle you, demean you, threaten you with false felony charges and generally make it clear who has more "power". Stop commenting about OSC and what you don't like. Watch the video, you "Take back Santa Cruz" types. Coming from a law enforcement family, this man is a disgrace to the badge and I demand a citizen review of his conduct. He knew he was being taped, which only shows his arrogance.
Willow February 19, 2012 at 07:25 PM
L.Roxanee, it IS about the Occupy movement. Whether or not Deputy Chief Clark acted inappropriately is a separate issue. If you, as a citizen, believe your rights have been abused by a law officer, there are venues by which you may address your concerns. If you don't like the decision after voicing your concern, there are others to whom you may take your grievances, above the first level. You can, in fact, take your complaint up the chain to the state government. What is not within your rights is to break the law while complaining that someone else has also broken the law by trampling on your rights. Go ahead and deman a citizen review, for that is the first step. As for heckling, the Occupliers have the patent on that! That is the bread and butter of any protest movement, to heckle, harass, get-in-your-face tactics. If you are heckled back, you've no room to complain as it is part and parcel of being a protestor or community activist. Standing up and saying what you believe in is a right guaranteed by the Constitution. However, there are rules even there, and one of them is not to harass people going about their lawful business and prevent them from doing so, such as keeping Well Fargo Customers from entering and completing their transactions. Yelling at them, telling them to go elsewhere is well within your rights. They can either comply or ignore, which is well within their rights. But blocking the entrance to a business is not within your right.
Xanthippe February 20, 2012 at 02:40 AM
It's like arguing with a bunch of 12 year olds. Heckler: "How are you going to explain this to your grandchildren?" Deputy Police Chief Clark: "I'm going to tell my grandchildren that there were a bunch of jackasses that came out here and couldn't manage to functionally make a statement or any kind of a point." Sounds spot on to me. Clark has exhibited extraordinary patience and professionalism time and again. Occupy Santa Cruz, or Autonomous Anonymous - which is much more likely the group represented by this bunch of bozos - who all is it, Alex Darocy, Brent Adams, Robert "1%er" Kahn Norse, whiny chick with grating voice (whoever that is) - heckling and hassling a Santa Cruz cop, and then feigning offense at his responses. These folks live for their chance to scream about injustice, they go out of their way to try to cause offense. The wannabe anarchists can't even manage to keep an Occupy protest from devouring itself from the inside out in the progressive paradise of Santa Cruz. Way to go, heroes! Nobody worth a damn even wants to be connected to you anymore.
Xanthippe February 20, 2012 at 02:43 AM
Wes, what are you talking about? Clark exhibited all of those things, not to mention a vast reservoir of patience. Your merry band of petulant whiners were trying to get a rise out of him, and failed. Big fail. Just like everything else you and your wannabe anarchists attempt.
Xanthippe February 20, 2012 at 02:47 AM
Pretty sure Willow is talking about the criminal thugs who broke into and trespassed upon the vacant property at 75 River Street. No matter how you slice it, it was an attempted unlawful taking of property that doesn't belong to them. You claim to own a house. Surely you don't mind opening it up to a few more people, after all, surely you have some living room space that is unused each night. That would only be fair, right, since you aren't using it and there are homeless people in Santa Cruz.
Holly Irene Cardoza February 20, 2012 at 10:01 PM
The Occupy Movement is over? Oh really? Ha! Well, My FAVORITE kinda pie is OCCUPY! A hahahahahahaha! .....and HERE'S what WE are serving UP today: #F20 http://occupy4prisoners.org/http://occupy4prisoners.org/ "The prison system is the most visible example of policies of punitive containment of the most marginalized and oppressed in our society. Prior to incarceration, 2/3 of all prisoners lived in conditions of economic hardship. While the perpetrators of white-collar crime largely go free." -Occupy4Prisoners #GETACLUE It's a WORLDWIDE Movement, and it's only just begun... ♥
Jrey February 21, 2012 at 04:20 AM
the occupy movement is over finally!! they never truely represented the "1%" anyways. the whole "movement" was a joke and its nice to see that the majority is finally starting to see it.
The Beast from the East February 24, 2012 at 04:35 PM
I thought the Policeman showed remarkable restraint in his behaviour. He was being heckled by a bunch of clueless, wanna-be Anarchists. You could tell he found it amusing at times, especially when Robert got so mad at him! I can't help but wonder if Brent's Mommy is going to kick him out of her basement, because he got himself in serious legal trouble. He's in his 40's, and hasn't even TRIED to move out on his own yet. Alex, you could have gone to Medical School, and been a successful Physician, like your Father. But no, taking stupid pictures for Indybay, and heckling a Policeman is a MUCH better use of your six-figure Education. He must be SO proud of you!!!
Always Question February 24, 2012 at 05:25 PM
Are you aware that some of the "Occupiers" are children of the so-called 1%? It is how they afforded their "education" and how they continue to be able to scream obscenities at people going about their day-to-day business. Wonder how they'd feel if their parents were forced to share their "1%" to the extent that they no longer can depend upon their "rightful" allotments?
Always Question February 24, 2012 at 05:27 PM
Good post. Seems like you know the key "Occupiers." As for Alex, could be the medical profession is better off without him if this is his "calling."
Always Question February 24, 2012 at 05:29 PM
Any post that resorts to "a hahahahahahaha" shows the infantile mentality of the poster. Cite your references without the manic laughter, then you might even get someone to actually listen to your rant. (My favorite pie is apple."
Brad Kava (Editor) February 24, 2012 at 06:19 PM
I don't think Martin Luther King or Gandhi heckled. They had class and let their actions be their words. They knew the powers that be were doing their jobs and they showed the world the higher road by acting with dignity, getting arrested with dignity and letting the world correct the evils. BTW: There was a time I wasn't a reporter and was arrested on the railroad tracks at Rocky Flats Nuclear arsenal and had to go to federal trial. We never condemned the officers doing their jobs. Our role was to be arrested and bring light to the dangers of the system and it worked. I wish all of the Occupiers had that level of understanding for the other people who are in the 99 percent with them.
Jrey February 25, 2012 at 05:09 AM
The deputy chief certainly was more patient than he needed to be, I think we should be thankful for the kind of police officers we have in Santa Cruz. The Robert Norses of Santa Cruz are just there to stir things up because they clearly have nothing better to do with themselves.
David Schlesinger February 25, 2012 at 05:31 PM
I watched the entire thing, three times, Roxanne. I'm not too impressed with OSC's efforts to hold Clark to a standard of respect which you're not apparently willing to hold yourselves to. That's just another hypocrisy, like the efforts to keep _real_ journalists from doing their jobs, and the censorship of comments, and people, on the various OSC Facebook pages and the OSC web site. If you folks are hoping to build up broader support in the community, I have to gently suggest that this isn't the way to go about it.
David Schlesinger February 25, 2012 at 05:34 PM
I'd like to hear more about this "deeper issue". What's the "community benefit" inherent in a building with graffiti-emblazoned paper on all the windows and barricaded doors? What was the "community benefit" on leading a crowd of people on a march advertised as going to a "home in foreclosure", when it actually wound up at a commercial property that was not in foreclosure? Is there some "deeper" "community benefit" in lying to people?
Willow February 25, 2012 at 06:03 PM
Once upon a time, I participated in an opinion poll taking on a certain product. There was a set of standarized questions, followed by the final line of whether or not the interviewee approved of the product. The polls were turned in to the office of a professionla poll taking company. The polls were sorted into stacks of positives and negatives. The positives were then piles of 9. Then one from the negative stack was added to the 9 positives. The final results were the infamous "9 out of 10 people agree..." This is how polls, any poll, can be manipulated to achieve the wanted result. Take it for what you will, but I seriously doubt that "9 out of 10 people" support the OCS movement in its present form.
David Schlesinger February 25, 2012 at 07:34 PM
A recent Rasmussen poll showed that more than half of the respondents viewed OWS unfavorably at this point. Make of that what you will. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/january_2012/51_see_occupy_wall_street_protesters_as_public_nuisance
David Schlesinger February 25, 2012 at 07:37 PM
I remember how there wasn't enough room for everyone on the courthouse steps back in October and early November. Where'd all those people go...?

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